is that accurate? >> exactly. we've seen these armies collapse before. in 2003, in 1991. if these troops do not believe they are fighting for their own territory and their own people, their own families, they did and hold against iranians in the 1980s. they can fight if they think they are motivated. they will fight for the areas. the problem again, they are intertwined communities around baghdad. that's why baghdad is so critical right now. >> ken, i mean, baghdad is because of what went on in 2006, 2007, baghdad is overwhelmingly sunni -- excuse me, overwhelmingly shiia dominated. do you think it's unlikely baghdad could fall because it seems like iraqi security forces would be more motivated to protect this city. >> yeah, i think you've hit on a number of important points, anderson.